Our parish priest is teaching a series on the Catechism this summer. The Catechism of the Catholic Church is a big book that basically sums up the teachings of the Church. Blessed Pope John Paul II called the Catechism "a sure norm for teaching the faith" and an "authentic reference text." In short, if you profess to be Catholic, you are professing belief in the teachings contained within this text.
I was involved in a recent facebook conversation about a particular teaching of the Church. I don't know the person that made the comment, she wasn't my "friend" but it struck me as incredibly telling of how people view the Church and Her teachings. She said something to the effect of, "Well if the Church doesn't change the teaching on In-Vitro its gonna lose a lot of its members, especially older women who can't get pregnant."
And while I understand where she's coming from, she's miss the point entirely.
Something is not true because the Church teaches it. The Church teaches it because it's true!
So often in a discussion about Church teachings we use the phrase, "The Catholic Church teaches that...." and while this is generally done for the sake of clarity-it doesn't really need to be said. Imagine is we spoke of all truths in this way. "Mathematicians teach that half of ten is five." We would never talk about math in this way because five isn't half of ten because mathematicians say so. Mathematicians teach that it's half of ten because it's true!
The Church does not profess Her teachings to gain followers or to win a popularity contest. Yes, She would love to see Her pews filled on Sundays, but it's just simply not an option to teach fallacy just to get a few more butts in the seats.
To the women in the facebook commenter's example, it wouldn't matter if they left the Church over the issue of In-Vitro or not-if they didn't believe and profess that procreation is intrinsically linked to the union of two spouses then they're not professing to be Catholic to begin with. What difference does it make if they attend Mass on Sundays or not if the beliefs that shape their decisions aren't the same as the Church they are attending?
Two plus two is four.
Jesus Christ walked this earth, died for my sins, ascended into heaven and will judge me on my last day.
Twelve times five is sixty.
I must confess my sins to a priest because Christ gave them the power to bind and loose the sins of their people.
Four and six make ten.
Sex is reserved for a man and woman united in marriage. It must always be open to life. The unitive must never be separated from the procreative. Contraception, abortion, and artificial reproductive technologies are unacceptable.
Nine doubled is eighteen.
Jesus left the teaching authority of the Church to St. Peter, from which flowed the apostolic succession and gives Pope Benedict his authority today.
Sixteen minus five is eleven.
The ends never justify the means.
Half of fourteen is seven.
Christ left me His body and blood in the Eucharist that I may unite myself fully to Him. His Flesh is true food and His Blood true drink. This is the Source and Summit of my Faith.
These truths hold the same weight in my life. I believe in the truths of the Catholic Church as I believe in the truths of mathematics. Even more so because I shape my life around them and would die for the right to profess them. If I thought that these things were only true because my Church said so, I would pick a different Church with a lot less rules! (And one with better music on Sundays...) But I submit myself to the authority of the Church because I know that Her teachings are true.
It's not true because the Church teaches it. She teaches it because it's true!

Yes! thank you
ReplyDeleteThis is great! I love the mathematics analogy!
ReplyDeleteAmen Kaitlin! The Church will never change what cannot be changed. Truth cannot change!
ReplyDeleteGreat post. Thank you.
ReplyDeleteAmen! When this was explained to me before I was Catholic it really helped cement things for me. Beautiful!
ReplyDeleteI found your blog through Bonnie's a while back and have never commented before but I had to comment on this one and say Thank You! What a wonderful post! Love the analogy to math! :)
ReplyDeleteFantastic. I love how you interspersed accepted truth with Ultimate truth. Awesome.
ReplyDeleteMy favorite post ever! Thank you!
ReplyDeleteBrilliant!!!
ReplyDelete"Something is not true because the Church teaches it. The Church teaches it because it's true."
YES!!! Perfectly stated! Brilliant post, Kaitlin! Thanks for writing it!
I love this!
ReplyDeleteExcellent illustration, Katie! As you know of me, I'm going to be exceedingly aware of this phenomenon in my discourse as well as others'.
ReplyDeleteGreat post and description of our faith!
ReplyDeleteYes, yes, yes!!! This is it, girlfriend! You nailed it.
ReplyDeleteI was going to repeat the line that Lauren did, and declare it perfect. :)
Wow thank you!! Far too often we forget this or it gets muddied up in some debate.
ReplyDeleteBeautiful post!Nothing could be more true..
ReplyDeleteThank-you for this - it's like God is whispering to me to have faith in the Truth.
ReplyDeleteI love the math analogy!
Both you amd TCIE have nailed this on the head! Bravo! ;)
ReplyDeleteBeautiful!!
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ReplyDeleteWow! This is an incredible post. I have been trying to articulate my feelings on this for awhile now and you far exceeded anything I could have expressed!
ReplyDeleteI have been particularly frustrated by this "phenomenon" lately in which people love to announce their Catholic faith in one breath and denounce the Church in the same sentence. Ma.ria Shri.ver, for example, proudly described herself as a Catholic in good standing with the Church while wearing a rosary around her neck, declaring women should always have access to abortion, and clearly stating that she does not agree with everything the Church says. Why so adamant to use the label, then, if she is so displeased with what the Church "teaches"?
Beautiful post, Kaitlin. Beautiful!
ReplyDeleteI'd like to point out too that it's a specific, not vague, truth. Imagine if there were thousands of different mathematical "clubs" that all adhered to their version of the truth, so long as it's "similar" or "shared the basics" with all the other mathematical truths. Architects, engineers, scientists . . . think what it would be like if the mathematical world worked like Protestantism.
ReplyDeleteThis Is great Kaitlin!!
ReplyDeleteI have heard people using the same logic as that misguided woman and you have a great response to it! I think this comes up a lot regarding birth control, in vitro, living together. Either you believe the Church is right or it's wrong, it can't be part.
ReplyDeletethanks for your sweet comment! your'e such a dear...
ReplyDeleteThe Catholic church and her teachings are interesting and amazing......if you don't ever read the bible. If you do read the Bible than you will know that the teachings of the church are complete lies meant only to deceive and sow confusion. 1 Tim 2:5 it's Jesus and only Jesus....not the Pope also called Christ's Vicar on earth.
ReplyDeleteGod said that it is not good that man be alone and that every man should have a wife and every woman should have a husband. He also said that every Bishop should have a wife.......Ask yourself do I believe the Roman Cathlic church or the Bible?
The Bible also calls the RC church "The great harlot, drunk with the blood of martrys and saints" look at your own RC history and remember the crusades. Also God said make no graven image nor bow down to any. Again is it the Bible or the Church?
The Catholic church and her teachings are interesting and amazing......if you don't ever read the bible. If you do read the Bible than you will know that the teachings of the church are complete lies meant only to deceive and sow confusion. 1 Tim 2:5 it's Jesus and only Jesus....not the Pope also called Christ's Vicar on earth.
ReplyDeleteGod said that it is not good that man be alone and that every man should have a wife and every woman should have a husband. He also said that every Bishop should have a wife.......Ask yourself do I believe the Roman Cathlic church or the Bible?
The Bible also calls the RC church "The great harlot, drunk with the blood of martrys and saints" look at your own RC history and remember the crusades. Also God said make no graven image nor bow down to any. Again is it the Bible or the Church?
The Catholic church and her teachings are interesting and amazing......if you don't ever read the bible. If you do read the Bible than you will know that the teachings of the church are complete lies meant only to deceive and sow confusion. 1 Tim 2:5 it's Jesus and only Jesus....not the Pope also called Christ's Vicar on earth.
ReplyDeleteGod said that it is not good that man be alone and that every man should have a wife and every woman should have a husband. He also said that every Bishop should have a wife.......Ask yourself do I believe the Roman Cathlic church or the Bible?
The Bible also calls the RC church "The great harlot, drunk with the blood of martrys and saints" look at your own RC history and remember the crusades. Also God said make no graven image nor bow down to any. Again is it the Bible or the Church?
Hi Chris! I love the Bible and have found that the Church is truly the most Biblical Church and the Church that Christ himself founded when He gave Peter the "keys to the kingdom". Do you have a blog that I might find out more about what you believe? Or do we know each other in real life?
ReplyDeleteI suggest you read the many posts on the Protestant/Catholic divide at Little Catholic Bubble to understand more about why the Catholic Church is, in fact, very Biblical. Or read the writings of Scott Hahn.
And if Protestantism is true-I must ask which branch is the truth? Some teach "once saved always saved", others don't. Some allow for homosexual acts and abortion, others don't. Which one is correct?
Thanks!
Hi Kaitlin, Thanks for responding. I will post several comparisons between Catacism of the Roman Catholic Church and the bible. I did not respond to this post out of hated or misinformation about the RC church. I very much love the members of the Catholic faith. And as for your point about the Protestant Church, you are right on the mark. Jesus himself spoke angryly to the religious leaders of the day. Why? Because he does care for religion he only wants relationship with each of us.
ReplyDeleteThe only truth that matters is the Gospel of Christ. Please keep the dialogue open and let's better understand each others views. I love you in the love of Jesus and will pray that as we exchange posts that the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob will give you and all that read this clear revelation of the Word of God.
Kaitlin, I apologize for taking so long to respond, I have been little under the weather. Anyway I will share some verses from the only source of truth there is....the Holy Bible.
ReplyDeleteI don't even know where to begin because the Roman Catholic religion is so full of deceptions.
1. The first commandment tells us God is the Lord thy God and to have no other God's before us.
The Bible says that God is a jealous God and that He will not share His glory with anyone.
If this is TRUTH then why do catholics pray to Mary? At no time EVER did Jesus pray to Mary or any other Saint, ONLY to God the Father.
2. Why do Preists and Nuns take on a church forced committment of celibacy. God Himself said it is not good that man be alone. Genesis 2:18 In 1 Corinthians 7:2 we are told to avoid fornication that EVERY man should have his own wife and that EVERY woman should have her own husband. In the book of Titus 1:6 instructions for anyone that desires to serve in the ministry as a Bishop should have one wife......1 Timothy 4:1-3 speaks of false religious systems that depart from the faith and speak lies...forbidding to marry and to abstain from meats. This Truth separates itself from the false teachings of the Roman Catholic church.
3. Th RC church calls Mary a perpetual virgin yet the Bible clears shows Jesus had brothers....Again which one is TRUTH the Bible or the teachings of the RC church.
4. The Bible does not show where Mary continues her role of mother of God in heaven, she is not the Queen of Heaven, as taught by the RC church infact the only place the Bible use the term Queen of Heaven is in Jeremiah 7:18 where God is provoked to anger over the false worship to the Queen of Heaven.
5. Purgatory....the greatest lie ever told and NEVER mentioned in the Bible. The Bible says that to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. There is no purification from sin once you have died. If you die in a state of sin then you are according to the Bible eternally separated from God....hell bound without any hope for salvation. This is why it is so important to read the bible and NOT some writings of man such as the Catecism.
6. God said not to make any graven images or bow down to any statues.....Ask yourself is God confused or is the Catholic practice of bowing to idols wrong.
ReplyDeleteThe catechism says:
IV. "You shall not make for yourself a graven image.
2129 The divine injunction included the prohibition of every representation of God by the hand of man.
But a few lines later the Catechism finds a way to justify idols.
Citing the decision made by an ecumenical council at Nicaea they now say that the veneration given to the idol really goes to the prototype for whom the idol is made. Remember. God said no idols....confusion at best and disobedience to God’s word. Read 1 Samuel 15:23 to see what God has said about rebellion and stubbornness to his word.
7. Sacraments a condition for salvation......another lie. Salvation is a gift of grace GIVEN not EARNED. Jesus gave us the hope of eternal salvation through his death at Calvary. The Bible makes this point clear over and over and over.....read the Bible.
8. If the Pope is the Vicar of Christ then 1 Timothy 2:5 is wrong. Why did the Pope protect and hide and allow so many priests to continue the out of control sexual abuse.
9. Take the Bible out of the picture completely and use your own reasoning and look at the history of the Roman Catholic Church. Between 1220 and 1809 more than 50 million were murdered at the hands of the Roman Catholic Church under the guise of religious inquisions and purging. The Vatican was the instrument that elevated Benito Mussolini into power and had a direct hand in the holocaust and used the network of churches to provide refuge and escape to Nazi war criminals. The Roman Catholic church has even opposed the Bible Societies that translate Bibles for people of all nations. THE RC church has publicly stated that they are the only ones that can translate the Bible because it so important that they be the only one to provide commentary and interpretation of the scriptures.
Kaitlin and all that read this please read the Bible and the truth will be made oh so clear....The God of the Bible can be known in a real and personal way. Truth not Tradition, Relationship not Religion.
Very good points, Chris. The entirety of the catholic church is based on tradition and man, not God and the Word. The one and ONLY explanation for the changes to the bible made by the RC church is the claim to an infallable pope. However, scripture does not back this unless you skew it to make it fit your desired belief system. Just doing a quick search, I found these two sites - expressing the truth in the passage. And there are endless numbers more.
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http://www.gotquestions.org/pope-papacy.html
Just thinking logically, which makes more sense - that the one verse (peter is the rock on which christ built his church) that gives the pope "authority" is misinterpreted, or that the all-knowing god would leave a loophole in which man could negate all of his teachings? The idea of the pope basically states that man knows better than God, as he can change his word as he sees fit. When the bible states that "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever." (Heb 13:8), we basically choose to ignore that fact, so that we do not have to bow to him.
I also like this one - showing a very large source of scripture stating that Christ is, in fact, the cornerstone. Again, why believe the one scripture that (incorrectly) has been taken to mean that the pope (a man) can override God's word? There are many more in the one true source of God's teachings that directly negate this thinking.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.blessedquietness.com/journal/housechu/popeexam.htm
Well written Kaitlin! Excellent post!
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ReplyDeleteThe Catechism of the Catholic Church is a big book that basically sums up the teachings of the Church. Blessed Pope John Paul II called the Catechism "a sure norm for teaching the faith" and an "authentic reference text." In short, if you profess to be Catholic, you are professing belief in the teachings contained within this text. I agree with her completely. If you profess to be Catholic then you MUST accept and believe the Catechism.
However if you profess to be a Christian then you MUST accept the Holy Bible.
The challenge for Catholics is that the Catholic church and her teachings are completely counter to the Word of God.
Example:
The Catechism says that the church has the authority to forgive sin.
The Holy Bible says in Mark 2:7 that only God can forgive sins.
Catholic or Christian, you can which ever one you want to be but Christians can't be Catholic and Catholics can't be Christian because the bible is opposed to the deceptions of the Catechism. The Catholic church according to the Bible is not the Church of Jesus Christ.
Hi Chris! (and Anonymous and Scott) I'm not ignoring you, just busy! :) Thanks!
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ReplyDeleteFirst off, thank you for your comments! But I think you have some common misunderstandings about the Catholic Church.
First, we must understand that the Catholic Church is the Church instituted by Christ Himself and which is also lead by the successors of the apostles (bishops). Christ gave His Spirit to the apostles at Pentecost, the "birthday" of the Church, and they immediately began preaching and baptizing! Peter was the a leader amongst the apostles, especially after Christ ascended into heaven. Catholics traditionally refer to Peter as the first pope. The word pope means "papa" or father. We all know that the father is the one member in a family that is the traditional leader. The pope is not there to override Christ or scripture. He is there to act on Christ's behalf here on earth. Only when teaching on faith and morals is the pope able to teach without error or infallibly and, as far as I can recall, such statements have only been made officially on two occasions (i.e. Immaculate Conception, etc.). But this does not mean, however, that the pope is accustomed to making errors on other occasions (i.e. when writing encyclicals, etc.)!
The Catholic tradition of having a pope goes back to the Old Testament when the king of Israel would give the "keys of the kingdom" to his prime minister when he (the king) was away from the kingdom. The prime minister would not act on behalf of himself, but on behalf of the king. So when Christ instituted Peter as the leader of the apostles or as the "first pope", He was merely fulfilling this part (or role) of the Old Testament. Christ knew that His children would need a "papa" to lead them after He returned to His Father in heaven. The pope is there to lead the Church in the ways of Christ.
I will also add that our current Holy Father, Pope Benedict XVI, knows scripture very well and recently finished his second book on the scriptures! This leads to my next comment...
Chris and Anonymous:
ReplyDeleteFirst, I want to commend your love for the bible and for making sure that Catholics truly appreciate the "Dei Verbum", the word of God! But let's look deeper at the role and history of scripture.
Scripture of the bible is the inspired word of God given to man. Dr. Scott Hahn says that scripture is like love letters from God to man, letting us know how much He cares for His creation! Scripture then shows man how God has remained true to His role as Father, constantly loving man even though man has not always loved God!
Scripture was written by men that were inspired by God, but these "writings" were not compiled into the book we now call the "bible" (Greek for "books") until much later...and they were compiled by none other than the Catholic Church! This may come as a surprise to you, but you should be thankful for the Catholic Church for having the inspiration from the Holy Spirit to know which books belong in the bible! Christians should not belong to a "church of the book", but they should read the "book of the Church". What I mean is that the Church came first and then gave us the bible. The bible as we know it today was created by the Church which had a "rule of faith", a set of beliefs and traditions that helped the Church to know which books were truly inspired by God. These beliefs and traditions, of course, were instituted and learned from Christ via the apostles.
The Catholic Church loves the bible and actually reads through almost the whole bible every three years in her liturgy (i.e. Holy Mass). The Catholic Church, unlike other Protestant churches, does not refer only to the bible for her teaching, as this not scriptural! Nowhere in scripture does it say that the "bible alone" (sola scriptura) is the only authority for Christians. Yes, it is profitable and helpful and we should know the bible, lest we become "ignorant of Christ" (St. Jerome, Catholic cardinal that translated the bible into Latin). But we must also look to the Church for guidance, again, because it is the Church that gave us the bible.
Lastly, I would like to point out that the Catholic Church does not change the bible. Actually, if anyone is accused of changing the bible it is Martin Luther, who basically took several books out of the bible in order to for it to fit his persoanl "theology" (Protestantism). The Church does not add to the bible, but treats the bible like a flower. Over time the teachings of the bible have "blossomed" like a flower thanks to the Church. The Church brings the bible alive in our world, as she is guided by the Holy Spirit! The Church, therefore, helps man to understand the teachings of the bible as a whole, not allowing man to interpret the bible as individuals, lest we produce conflicting and erroneous interpretations of the word of God.
I hope my comments have helped in some way. Such comments are very basic in nature and there is much more to be said.
Hi Chris. still there?
ReplyDeleteIf so-any response on Derrick's comments? And check out this website to address a few of your other concerns.
http://www.almostnotcatholic.com/search/label/myth%20busters
If you want to read any of those and discuss I'd be happy to!
Kaitlin, I would love to discuss with you further. I am leading a medical mission to the Sudan for two weeks and we leave in the morning. When I return I will take you up on your suggested reading list. But I will say to you let God's Word which is inerrant and unchanging be the guide.
ReplyDeleteAccording to the Holy Bible it is Jesus alone that gives us redemption of sins. Jesus loved us so much that he sacrificed himself for you and I. According to the Bible, the only source of truth, the Catholic Church, contradicts God's word many times. I will be in touch, Chris.
Chris-God bless you on your trip! Safe travels!
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